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Post by redsunbeam on Jul 7, 2006 16:49:43 GMT
Its me again. Have been in contact with the Vanden Plas owners club and they say my p5b is a fake. Does anyone have any info on Vanden Plas?? Have been told that 10 p5bs were made in 68, and 9 in 69, and that they all went to the ministry. Thats all i know- or think i know, it's all a bit vague
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jul 7, 2006 18:13:35 GMT
Its feasible as Vanden Plas was part of BMC which merged with Jaguar and then with Leyland Motors who by then owned Rover - this took place in April 1968. As the Rover P5 was already a luxury car it is hardly surprising they did not offer much extra. I think they had a go with Jags and Daimlers around then.
The club historian never mentioned anything in his book (I think?)
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Post by dorsetflyer on Jul 7, 2006 19:16:02 GMT
Perhaps fitting a pipe holder, and having individual reading lights on stalks in the rear corners like the Humber Imperials, made them a Vanden Plas model.
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Post by redsunbeam on Jul 9, 2006 9:35:47 GMT
There are three extra warning lights on the dash that mirror the three at the bottom of the dash. The green one is the reverse gear warning light, no idea about the blue one, the yellow one comes on for the first 5 or so miles then goes out. No idea what this one is for either. Any one got any ideas? All fluid levels have been checked and appear ok. Cant see any extra senders anywhere although not sure what it should have as standard. Any one local so i can compare cars??
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Post by theroveringmember on Mar 30, 2007 10:20:31 GMT
Sounds a bit like gilding the Lily, doesn't it? It's the first time I've heard of a Rover/VDP link before the SD1. I haven't seen anything about it in the books. Have to have another look though I suspect the VDP club are probably right.
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Post by Roy of the Rovers on Mar 30, 2007 11:54:33 GMT
There has been a Vanden Plas Rover around the show circuit in the South of England since the eighties which then dissappeared for a while, I remember it had Vanden Plas badging, extra reflectors/fog lights at the back and other 'bling' bits inside. I can't tell you if it was an original vanden plas car (what is an original vanden plas?) but it was always put on show as such. Therefore a car like it has been around for long time and is not a fake but is 'customised'.
I don't see why someone would fake work done by Vanden Plas, its very much an aquired taste so I wouldn't have thought it would make the car any more valuable???
Either way I wouldn't lose sleep over it, just know that the car has deserved to be kept as is by being around so long in this form!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2007 17:56:44 GMT
As a 'new boy' to P5B Ownership, came across this thread whilst 'looking over' the site. As it happens, "I know a man" so to speak, that has a VP P5B and, he has had it since the early '80's. VP's were prepared at the 'VP' Works in Kingsbury, NW London. The first place to look, is on the drivers side 'B' post and, there you will find a VP plate showing the date of the preparation and, the chassis number of the car concerned. Call it 'bling' if you will but, there are a lot of what I would call, 'nice touches', which is what VP were all about. Some of these found their way onto the SD1 VP - Red wheel/wing, boot badges. Common to all, is a 'Triplex' sunroof and, the tools were all chromed (as were other features ). Added to this, they all had a mauve/purple section in the rear side light/ brake lense. The list goes on but, Gaydon should be able to provide the back-up to any enquiry regarding authenticity. Hope this helps rather than confuses, Kind Regards, John A.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Apr 23, 2007 18:22:14 GMT
The one I saw the article about showed a picture of this plate so it looks there is some substance to this rumour.
Yet another P5 not known to the club?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 10:07:50 GMT
Did I mention that I met a young guy with P5B Saloon, recently (3 weeks ago) and he was not in the P5 owners club. Lots of our cars are NOT owned by members of our club.
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Post by theroveringmember on Apr 24, 2007 15:06:10 GMT
Added to this, they all had a mauve/purple section in the rear side light/ brake lense. Sounds like the little Chevrolet jewels that were popular with the customisers in the Seventies. Back when customising didn't mean buying a bolt-on plastic thing off the shelf.....
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 29, 2007 23:15:14 GMT
It looks like this has turned up again on Ebay after extensive rebuild/restoration - its being advertised even though its not finished?!
Anyone own up to it?
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Post by Keith - Portsmouth on Dec 30, 2007 2:11:43 GMT
The ebay item is only for a photograph. Don't know why the bidding is already at £205.00 ... for just a photo.
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Post by Kev on Dec 30, 2007 8:23:38 GMT
Yep, Here we go again.............. Shame really,because this guy has put a lot of time,money and effort into restoring this car. Not sure about the "silver" roof,but each to there own. Lets wait and see if it sells and if the person joins the forum. Big Kev.
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Post by PatMcCoy on Dec 30, 2007 11:27:38 GMT
Has anyone got the ebay number i cant find it?
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 30, 2007 12:16:45 GMT
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Post by PatMcCoy on Dec 30, 2007 13:27:57 GMT
Thanks Phil for the link This is the car that was bought my a member on here earlier on this year
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 13:40:03 GMT
Looking at the ebay picture of the cluttered boot lid
" vanden plas, automatic, 3.5 litre, V8"
it seems more like Ford's badging of top of the range Cortina's in the 1970's
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Dec 30, 2007 14:13:05 GMT
So this was the "lemon" As regards excessive badging Rover did this first though with the 1965/66 Coupe Mk lll Automatic + R O V E R across the boot handle. It all looks tacky to me - certainly not something that the Rover Co Ltd would have contemplated - the Rostyles were the death nell and must have a Leyland idea. However if it is a genuine V-P car thenits worth it for historic purposes although it looked like it originally had electric front window lifts but no sun-roof which is very surprising given the number of P5's that were fitted with these. Tints were not available then although some very late P5B's had them (green!) It will be interesting to see how this develops and i hope a forum club member gets it
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Post by redsunbeam on Dec 31, 2007 9:28:09 GMT
It is Richard Giels old car. Nice to see it given the attention it deserved. I never did manage to shed any light on wether it was a 'real' VDP or not. There was no mention on the heritage certificate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2007 19:14:17 GMT
From the photos of this car on ebay, I would be tempted to say that the car has just had extra badges fitted and that the other 'VdP' features just look home made to me. Consider what they did to the humble Allegro VdP, different radiator grille and bonnet, completely different and sumptuous seats with wonderful picnic tables, different dashboard treatments etc. This P5b has had nothing as extensive as that has it?
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Post by Smallfry on Jan 1, 2008 1:25:10 GMT
I recognise the badges on the armrests...............they are from the centre of the steering wheel on VP (Austin) Ambassador..............or wedge Princess if you like, and the steering wheel centre looks very much like the one from a VP Metro (sorry.....I meant Rover 100) The "V8" badge on the bootlid was originally made for the Rover SD1. These observations are not to pour scorn on the efforts that have been made by the guy restoring it...............but more about dating the badges. I.E. Late seventies, early eighties. A LONG time after the P5B ceased production. Another observation regarding the Heritage certificate...........It would certainly be mentioned if it had gone to VP from the factory. Unless it was sent privately by the dealer or original owner...............which I feel is unlikely, as most coachbuilders cum customisers.............Wood & Pickett, Tickford, Crayford, Overfinch etc..........usually only apply their work to brand new vehicles, I believe ? Also, as has been stated before, there does not seem to be any high quality extras or modifications fitted, bearing in mind Jaguars etc had electric windows, aircon, sunroofs (rooves ?) tinted glass during this period, and I am SURE they would have done something possibly hideous to the grille ? They may even have taken off the rostyle wheels and replaced them with geriatric gentlemans 26 x 1 3/8ths steel wheels with VP hearse hubcaps
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Post by Kev on Jan 1, 2008 10:17:51 GMT
Its suprising what you can achieve with a roll of wood effect Fablon ;D
Big Kev.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 1, 2008 10:18:50 GMT
Yes I do agree with Smallfry - the restorer would have been better to have sorted the issue out although he has now put a disclaimer on the Ebay ad. Its probably done no favours to what looks like a first class restoration which ought to have removed the V-P trim add-ons. Good point too about the grille and wheels - V-P would certainly have done something to these and sticking an "Automatic" badge on the boot lid is a step too far and out of character
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Jan 1, 2008 10:20:41 GMT
I am interested how they fit wood on top of foam/vinyl on the arm rests it all looks a bit tacky I would have thought if they had been VP'd! the wood would have been extended down the rear arm rest incorporating the ash tray like Smallfry I agree there are a few modern badge additions someone must know if it has a Heritage Cert or not according to the QA on Ebay! Neil seems to know I would have insisted on that in the first place as it would appear to be unique Is Neil a member? Q: Hi, Nice to see this car given the attention it deserved. I think i still have the heritage certificate for her if you would like it. Regards Neil 31-Dec-07 A: I WOULD BE VERT PLEASED TO HAVE IT LEN.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Jan 1, 2008 10:56:43 GMT
It has got an Heritage cert John- it was the one Redsunbeam bought as roadworthy. There was no mention - see earlier post by him yesterday. Not sure whether this would have said this but then if Rover did send it I would have thought it would have done.
Any way as I suspect the restorer it has now joined the forum perhaps he may elaborate personally?
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