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Post by David on Aug 11, 2014 9:23:17 GMT
Some good suggestions there and thanks to those who have replied. I will put an article in the club magazine with the same request.
Only thing I would like to point out is Johns first sentence: What I would like is a list of what you as members would consider "Most Essential" to keep your car on the road?
The club has, over the years, bought items to help owners pass MOT's or as John says 'keep the car on the road'. It is this path we would like to continue to follow. Though cosmetic parts would be good, they are not essential.
Thanks John for taking this on. I am sure it will be challenging, though input from our forum members should help.
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Post by Steve P5b on Aug 11, 2014 11:05:48 GMT
What I would like is a list of what you as members would consider "Most Essential" to keep your car on the road? Parts that are most difficult to obtain! "PM" me your ideas bearing in mind some items will horrendous to re manufacture due to tooling set up costs then I will do a list which you can add to on the forum. I will give it a good go on the clubs behalf "it wont be easy" I have been there in the past and failed due to lack of interest So it's "down to you guys" the club is behind me lets see how it goes John. If you need brake linings replaced then you can't get much better service than this company, I can personal recommend them,they have been a supplier of mine over 20 years, excellent for next day turn around and very reasonably priced. Certainly worth adding to your list of suppliers John. www.mobrec.co.uk/contact.htm
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Post by eightofthem (Andy) on Aug 11, 2014 18:01:06 GMT
I wonder if anyone has ever organised an alternative part list. A few P5b parts must be common to other vehicles or there are other parts than can be made to fit with minor modification. I did a search but couldn't find any list as such is that an idea worth doing?. I can think of a few off hand that I modified to fit Heater valve / I used one from a triumph ( think it was a spitfire I will have to check the invoice ) Rear brake shoes / land rover early long wheel base I think, ( but the lining was slightly smaller ) Rear diff / Again land rover ( only certain models, and you will have to fit a filler plug into the rear diff case ) Hats off to J W , a daunting task, which will not please everyone, again subframe mounts are a good starting point, off hand I cannot think of anything else at the moment, a lot of bases are covered, and the club has made good inroads what with the fuel filters, and the fuel pump kits.
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Post by Phil Nottingham on Aug 11, 2014 19:00:19 GMT
There is an old thread on here about alternatives somewhere
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Post by Warwick on Aug 12, 2014 3:40:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 8:10:48 GMT
Early LWB rear linings are longer but fit and work fine,defender anti roll bar bushes fit with a small spacer under the bracket. The warning light relay for the alternator can be be replaced (invisibly) with the solid state unit made for early jaguars.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 8:20:08 GMT
So did I! There was a debate about the quality/availability of new stock and the cost and condition of NOS water hoses. I'd fitted silicon water hoses all round and put the supplier in touch with the Club spares officer at the time (who was keen to take bulk ordering forward so that the club could supply a complete kit of hoses) Unfortunately, for whatever reason, nothing ever came of it. These items probably don't qualify in the "most essential" category anyway.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 12, 2014 13:46:50 GMT
Silicone hoses can be made available now with a matt finish. I was watching a programme that featured it the other day. A niche company based somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. I will be happy to be a local contcat for them if we can find their details. I think silicone hose upgrades would be an excellent way for the club to help members as most of the hoses currentlky for sale are NOS so 40+ years old or 'new' rubber which doesn't seem as durable. ETA: Thay list Rover P5B hoses: www.classicsiliconehoses.com/Bit pricey though! Further ETA: I've left a message on their answering machine asking fo details of what their most expensive kit consists of and what discounts they could offer to the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 15:48:24 GMT
Silicone hoses can be made available now with a matt finish. I was watching a programme that featured it the other day. A niche company based somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. I will be happy to be a local contcat for them if we can find their details. I think silicone hose upgrades would be an excellent way for the club to help members as most of the hoses currentlky for sale are NOS so 40+ years old or 'new' rubber which doesn't seem as durable. ETA: Thay list Rover P5B hoses: www.classicsiliconehoses.com/Bit pricey though! Further ETA: I've left a message on their answering machine asking fo details of what their most expensive kit consists of and what discounts they could offer to the club. That's where I got mine in 2011 and I can highly recommend them. They were nice people to deal with. The kit consisted of every water hose needed under the bonnet with the option to buy top and bottom hoses separately. I also used the clips recommended and the everything fitted perfectly.They don't supply hoses running to the rear heater in the kits but maybe they would supply on request. As previously mentioned, negotiations with the club came to nothing. I would also make the point that silicone hoses wouldn't really come under John's remit as they are readily available although there's no reason why the club shouldn't try to get a discount for members.
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Aug 12, 2014 16:07:10 GMT
John, the Aussies have more issues with rubber items and have already had some remade. I already mentioned bushes but I believe they have also had some quarter light rubbers made but I THINK it was only for saloons. I mentioned quarter light rubbers to Peter Collins more than once. They will become a big problem soon I believe. Perhaps you could set up a tent at the National for people to come and have a discussion on parts availability? Easier to chat than to type. Hi, I just like to add a general thought to reproduction window and visible body rubber parts from a small 15 years of experience with historic vehicles. The mouldings are not critical the rubber mixture is however. That is what put my MGB off and already again puts my P5B off. The new rubber boots for font indicator lights are cracking again, whereas 40 year old rubber in other positions at the P5 is in extraordinary quality. I never put any reasonable window or door Rover rubber to the waste in favour of a remanufactured one. The material today mostly is not comparative to the old one, mainly to environmental or cost issues I guess. I feel to have developed a nose to what good rubber should smell. Chinese is the worst, even German brand bicycle tires are sometimes sourced there and start to crack after half a year in every day use. So be careful with replacing, I stick to the old meanwhile and try to repair it if possible... Regards Mark
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 12, 2014 18:00:05 GMT
John, the Aussies have more issues with rubber items and have already had some remade. I already mentioned bushes but I believe they have also had some quarter light rubbers made but I THINK it was only for saloons. I mentioned quarter light rubbers to Peter Collins more than once. They will become a big problem soon I believe. Perhaps you could set up a tent at the National for people to come and have a discussion on parts availability? Easier to chat than to type. Hi, I just like to add a general thought to reproduction window and visible body rubber parts from a small 15 years of experience with historic vehicles. The mouldings are not critical the rubber mixture is however. That is what put my MGB off and already again puts my P5B off. The new rubber boots for font indicator lights are cracking again, whereas 40 year old rubber in other positions at the P5 is in extraordinary quality. I never put any reasonable window or door Rover rubber to the waste in favour of a remanufactured one. The material today mostly is not comparative to the old one, mainly to environmental or cost issues I guess. I feel to have developed a nose to what good rubber should smell. Chinese is the worst, even German brand bicycle tires are sometimes sourced there and start to crack after half a year in every day use. So be careful with replacing, I stick to the old meanwhile and try to repair it if possible... Regards Mark I know exactly what you mean in regards to rubber content or lack of it I was working on a project last year and bought some rubber inserts which if rubbed by hand made your skin black and you could rub the surface off with your fingers so they were binned Also I bought 2 new tyres for my Bicycle last year and today they are full of cracks and look 10 years old. On the other hand all my screen rubbers etc are still as new they were Scotts from Australia via David Green!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 8:44:43 GMT
Our Rovers are probably a good example of what could be achieved when "Made in England" actually meant something. The H and S boys and the clowns at the EU wont let firms use older chemicals that might poison polar bears if they drink fifty gallons of it,so a lot of stuff is inferior in some respects to original quality. Also so many firms don't actually make anything but simply import the cheapest they can find from China or India,who whilst they don't care much how many polar bears they kill in the process will use any old rubbish to keep the price down. Firms in this country whilst happy to moan about having no work/sales are unwilling to get involved in any new project, and due to Joe public for years buying all the cheap,foreign imported junk in preference to anything made over here,there are precious few engineering/manufacturing firms left anyway. .
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Post by eisdielenbiker on Aug 13, 2014 14:50:42 GMT
Hi Kevbacon, who are they? Can you please explain for a non-native. Automotive rubber and other material have to meet extensive specifications to flammability mainly under the EU law. That banns most probably some good helpers in chemistry. A similar banning concerns chemicals in the industrial zinc plating business. That leads to rotting bolts and nuts in 4 year old Ford engine compartments. We should go back to the threads topic anyway. Track rod end ball joints are essential as from my recent personal experience. Interchangeable Brake parts are interesting: in the first line rubber hoses again (3 over all in the car) , whereas front pads and cylinders and callipers are too special I guess. And the reason for me is not to compete the very eager P5 specialists out in respect to price but I want fast access to locally available parts from the shelve. Regards Mark
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 12:24:42 GMT
Health and Safety.What with them and the no win no fee lawyers/vultures,Brtish industry is cautious about taking any risks at all.
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Post by Colin McA on Aug 15, 2014 22:44:32 GMT
I have been thinking about this for a few days.
There was not much I couldnt get when doing my P5 up a few years ago. I refurbished my door and ignition locks which is quite straight forward.
windscreen I got from Pilkington very easy but the rear screen isnt available new.
There was a couple of coolant hoses which werent available at the time. I would be interested to see silicone versions available over some of the hoses available.
Front side lights are not easy to get, I have refurbished mine but recently found they need redone as they have corroded despite being in rubber boots.
Whilst I grudge paying big bucks for parts, if they are available then that is good enough and you just have to pay it.
Recently I have bought adjustable rear shocks but would have prefered standards but didnt fancy NOS incase the internals have perished. Not sure if that is worth looking at.
Accelerator pedals can break, I have an NOS one which I got priced to remake but as it is a safety critial part they company wasnt keen.
I do still have a few lower B/C post panels and the tooling but no plans to have any more made.
Colin
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Post by tonyl on Aug 16, 2014 9:33:33 GMT
I'd like to comment on the issue you raise about British industry, kevbacon, as there is a lot of capacity to do good work left on the industrial estates around the country. The issue we would probably have as individuals or a club is coming to terms with the quantities needed to manufacture anything economically. The firm I work for has done several projects with classic car organisations, such as spares suppliers, owners clubs, etc, and continues to do so. We can reverse engineer components, machine stuff and know where to get casting, grinding and plating done to reasonable standards. However, we have to make a profit, our suppliers & customers have to make a profit and the end price has to be acceptable to the market, which has got used to paying peanuts for Chinese rubbish. That generally means a production run of hundreds of items as a minimum, at least for us. We often find we can't get raw material to make items for the price a Chinese company charges for a complete item. Where's the logic in that? Getting back to the subject of the thread, I haven't found anything too difficult to obtain for my car but it's not quite on the road yet. I'd certainly vote for investment in quarter light rubbers, though, as long as the rubber is good enough. Rear screens would be a good idea as well, as there can only be a finite number of used parts available. I was one of those interested in the idea of having some made a few months ago, but ultimately it turned out not to be economic. As a club investment for the long term, it might be a better bet. Given that most Lucas parts were of low (or at least variable) quality, is there any switchgear that is in very short supply - wiper rheostats, light switches, indicator switches, etc? Are perfect (new?) rear view mirror glasses available? How about designing a Rostyle look-alike in alloy? JIA have done it for the Jensen, albeit in 17" form. www.jensen-sales.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MG_3493-small.jpgTony
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Post by guidedog on Aug 16, 2014 9:58:34 GMT
Those Jenson wheels look great Tony
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 16, 2014 11:58:32 GMT
On the basis that the Jensen GKN alloys were the same offset and stud pattern as the Rover, the reproduction Jensen items should fit straight on to a P5.
The Jensen wheels were half and inch wider and you will need a set of wheel nuts to replace the tapen nuts of the P5's Rostyle. I had a set made in stainless at a reasonable price.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 12:23:32 GMT
Those Jenson wheels look great Tony Very nice looking and seem to be made with greater precision than the Rostyles. I'm not sure about the look on a P5 though as my first reaction (from a distance) would be to think that someone had painted a rusty Rostyle with silver paint Then, there is the additional width and the use of low-profile tyres and all the other complications of putting wide wheels on old suspension set up. Probably ok as part of a heavily modified car which, to me, defeats the object of owning a 40 year old vehicle with all its quirks and eccentricities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 12:31:37 GMT
I have been thinking about this for a few days. There was not much I couldnt get when doing my P5 up a few years ago. I refurbished my door and ignition locks which is quite straight forward. windscreen I got from Pilkington very easy but the rear screen isnt available new. There was a couple of coolant hoses which werent available at the time. I would be interested to see silicone versions available over some of the hoses available. Front side lights are not easy to get, I have refurbished mine but recently found they need redone as they have corroded despite being in rubber boots. Whilst I grudge paying big bucks for parts, if they are available then that is good enough and you just have to pay it. Recently I have bought adjustable rear shocks but would have prefered standards but didnt fancy NOS incase the internals have perished. Not sure if that is worth looking at. Accelerator pedals can break, I have an NOS one which I got priced to remake but as it is a safety critial part they company wasnt keen. I do still have a few lower B/C post panels and the tooling but no plans to have any more made. Colin Good post and thanks for confirming where new screens can be obtained as someone recently posted saying they are "available" Re the hoses, see recent postings but I think you have to buy all the hoses in the kit from the suppliers with the option of buying top & bottom rad hoses seperately. In my experience, NOS (woodhead with ROVER stamped on) shocks seem as good as new as long as they haven't leaked. They can easily be tested before fitting.
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 16, 2014 14:05:00 GMT
Part of the problem with people claiming spares are rare is that they want to be spoon fed with everything.
Part of the challenge of owning a classic car and keeping it serviceable is tracking down parts and using initiative to obtain alternatives. Some people seem unable or unwilling to put in such effort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 14:13:37 GMT
Part of the problem with people claiming spares are rare is that they want to be spoon fed with everything. Part of the challenge of owning a classic car and keeping it serviceable is tracking down parts and using initiative to obtain alternatives. Some people seem unable or unwilling to put in such effort. If I knew where a spare part could be obtained, I would be as helpful as possible to the person asking the question as would the vast majority of people using this forum. I wouldn't get any personal satisfaction out of supplying an answer which says" I know where I can get something, but I'm not telling you!"
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Post by Welsh Warlock on Aug 16, 2014 15:40:21 GMT
Richard, once more it appears you have some axe to grind. There was no intention on my part to be mysterious I simply knew that new screens are available but couldn't remember who told me or from where other than it was a credible source. As it turn out Colin's earlier post reminded me that it was him who told me in a conversation I had with him on the 'phone. If I thought someone was genuinely searching for a part I would help but I am not spending my time posting information that is superfluos: particularly when it seems that due to the attitude and interference of some, good information ends up getting deleted amongst the trolling posts. No names, no pack drill of course
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Post by johnwp5bcoupe on Aug 16, 2014 18:19:52 GMT
Right guys I am back on line good old ISP The original request was a "PM" or you can email to say what you thought would be an "Essential" item to keep our/your car on the road as usual the thread is going all over the place and it's not helping!! A simple "Engine Mounts" or " ??" will be great I will produce a list from the results and publish it here. Thanks, John.
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Post by newp5bcoupe on Sept 23, 2014 15:28:13 GMT
John you are a saint methinks!
here in S.Africa NO trim spares available, so anything in that line, windscreen/rear window trim, rubbers for windscreens/rear windows, quarterlight (smoking") windows. rear brackets housing number plate and reverse bulbs. Originals made of tin, and rust badly (even in Africa where little ever rusts!) struggling to find rear halfshaft bearings also. Headrests, rear. Been quoted £350 a pair. Scary..
am buying from roverpart etc, but at a premium. I hope my membersh here will assist me in getting things more reasonably priced.
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